Summit recap. Bob Mumford (4)

February 24, 2009 at 8:53 pm 3 comments

Bob Mumford’s presentation of the Kingdom as Father and the church as Mother is controversial and perhaps for some, irrelevant, but it does force clear thinking about the way in which the church as become the end in itself, causing many people to “seek first the church…” rather than the Kingdom.

The Kingdom must always be sought and embraced as Father God’s ultimate source (Matthew 6:33).  The Church, as Mother should be seen as the “birthing place” of the purposes and people of the Kingdom.  The church is necessary but always subservient to the eternal purpose of the Kingdom (Ephesians 3:10)

Mumford says: Attempting to take refuge from wrong theological content and self-referential practice by appealing to the authority of Mother will simply no longer suffice.  We do this all the time.  In an attempt to make right what is obviously wrong we simply say, “my church (my mother) says it is OK.”  How many arguments in the home are solved the same way!  Mumford goes on: Neither will wrong kinds of submission to the Church as Mother suffice, as a way to ensure our personal comfort, personal advantage, or to avoid conflict.  Many of us feel like the church is there to serve us and go to Mother to have our needs met, hence the church hopping or opting out of church when it doesn’t meet our needs.  One of my friends refers to the institutional church as the “nipple” ministry because of the way in which we are prone to look to the Mother church to meet all our needs.

  • Mother’s milk has radiation-that which should give me health may be injuring me.  It may be oderless and tasteless, but it is deadly, nonetheless.
  • Mother has been “sleeping around” with other lovers besides my Father.
  • Mother has Her own agenda and it is causing distress in our family.
  • Mother has not stewarded Father’s money correctly and my siblings suffer.
  • Mother’s only concern may be her own success, retirement, and well being.

Every church, Mumford writes, wants its people under its authority.  Some churches are more overt in their demands while some are covert.  A member is considered as the church’s property, and everyone else needs to keep their hands off.  Moreover, a member should be docile and do as he is told by the church.  Thus we are “Mothered” and destined for eternal childhood.

Is it possible that what I have done (by placing myself in submission to a Church) in my innocence or ignorance, is place myself in a position where I feel compelled to get Mother’s permission to do the will of my Father?  Remember, that in any ideal Church circumstance this would not be an issue.  Mother’s will and the Father’s will would be identical.  How many Kingdom advances have been thwarted or held back because Mother didn’t want her children leaving the nest?

It seems obvious that Mumford wants to awaken the Church to its role in advancing the Kingdom.  He admits to some concern that he is too harsh or too arrogant.  He knows he is taking a risk in being so forceful about what he sees and the danger the Church is in.  However he writes: Failing or refusing to take the risk (speaking out) could mean that many more believers like ourselves will be consigned to a domesticated existence in Mother’s house.  Of all things which the Church is responsible, it is to show me the way to Father’s House.  This is Jesus stated goal and purpose, “Take me to the Father” (John 14:6)

I close with this from Bob Mumford:  I have an increasing sense that we are facing a terrible shaking. a dismantling, perhaps even a revolution in what we now see as the visible and institutional church.  God has done it before on several occasions. See Jeremiah 1:1 to 7:2 for a clear, biblical example.  My purpose, says Mumford, is to make it understood that a shaking of the Church or a shaking in the Church must never be equated with or identified as a shaking of the Father’s Kingdom.  His plans and purpose remain unshakable.  Each of us must know and live in the difference.

Anyone who attended the Summit have anything to add?  Are these recaps at all helpful?  Anyone?


Entry filed under: Authority, Belief, Bob Mumford, Church, Faith, Institutional church, Kingdom, Kingdom Gospel, Theology, Thoughts.

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3 Comments Add your own

  • 1. Doug  |  February 25, 2009 at 7:50 pm

    We read that we are to be salt and light. I had opportunity to bring a bible study on religion and Christianity. The value of both are obviously misguided in many aspects. We need to continue bringing a grass root approach to Kingdom Minded Ministry. I encourage us to not lose hope. Pray for those close to us and really begin living out Kingdom Principles. Lead by example in the opportunities provided by the Lord. Let the Spirit work. Thanks Greg for reminding us of what we learned. It is encouraging.

  • 2. amanda  |  February 25, 2009 at 3:03 am

    i find the post exilirating and wish again that we were closer to the OK church you have been involved with. after my experience at our shared former church, and recently trying to find a new “mother”, i find myself put off and sometimes just don’t even want to bother. some of the ones i have stopped in seem to have wandered off course, or in some cases steered off course by the purported “leaders” who i thought were meant to guide us. are there any tapes/books that you can suggest from Mr. Mumford (maybe i’ll check thru the old posts and find a link)

  • 3. David Cantrell  |  February 24, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    Hey Greg,
    I had a strange compeling to get all my Summit notes out over the last few nights. I thought it was random, but after seeing another post on Bobs words of wisdom I realized that reading your posts had sparked that desire to get into my notes again. Diving back into the Summit notes has been a revitalizing thing as has reading your posts.

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