Immature leadership for mature problems.

September 11, 2007 at 4:07 pm 4 comments

Okeechobee, Florida

I am on major overload with thoughts, concepts, relationships, ideas, visions and way to overloaded with food as well to be very concise with this post.

Bob Mumford said this morning, somewhat in passing, that we are a world, a country, a church where the problems are considerably greater, more mature than the maturity of the leadership that is trying to solve them.  He used as an example and because of daughter Traci and Brandon’s adoption plans, my ears perked up; he said another orphanage is not the answer to the problem of orphans in the world.  The problem will not be solved, if it can be solved at all, that way.  Leadership that keeps suggesting that option is bringing immature, even though  sensitive and a stop gap measure, to bear on a much more complex problem.  It sounds good but it doesn’t work.

The financial crisis in this country is so severe there is no chance that lowering the prime will solve it.  The bad credit out there is so huge, lowering the interest rate a quarter percent will not solve a problem this mature.  It is a good sound byte but mostly air.

The problem of Islamic terrorism is not going to be solved by the immature thinking that might suggest sending more troops to Iraq nor by the other side that wants to reduce the force.  The problem is just too mature, to big.  Politcal posturing is immature and the problem is mature.

Adding a contemporary service or hiring a worship pastor or youth pastor or being more seeker sensitive, or life giving or purpose driven or whatever the latest catch phrase is will not solve the mature problem that is “why the church does not even cause a ripple of interest from the culture”. Those are all immature answers to a very mature problem.  They may be all good things and worth pursuing as a church growth concept but they do not get at the heart of the matter.

At these meetings our focus is not on finding ways to make the church grow so much as it is attempting to understand what Jesus meant when He taught us to pray….Your Kingdom come, Your will be done…on earth as it is in heaven.  Jesus only uses the word “church” twice in all of the Gospels but He speaks of the Kingdom multiple times.  Jesus was about a Kingdom view and a Kingdom life.  That is what we are seeking to understand here in Okeechobee.

Any one out there have any thoughts on the subject?


Entry filed under: Authority, Belief, Charismatic, Christianity, Church, Culture, Faith, Friendship, Holy Spirit, Institutional church, Jesus, Miracles, Revelation, Supernatural, The Father, Thoughts, Travel.

Kingdom Summit III R-K

4 Comments Add your own

  • 1. Andy  |  December 20, 2007 at 6:34 pm

    Hi. Stumbled across your page as a result of searching for “immature leadership”. You have hit the nail on the head. Your comment “why the church does not even cause a ripple of interest from the culture” can be answered in two simple words: relevance and credibility. I believe that the unsaved pay no or little attention to church (both traditional or charismatic), because most churches are either irrelevant and/or lack credibility – and both of these issues are primarily the responsibilty of the senior leadership. Relevance is not just the packaging and delivery of the message, but also its content and its applicability to life. Achieving credibility is the resultant effect of being relevant, i.e. if what you preach when put into practice actually works and changes someones life. Church growth is not rocket science. If you can achieve relevance in your leadership and teaching, your church will grow. It is like knowing the best restaurant in town – it does not need to advertise – it achieves growth by consistently delivering a quality product that results in numerous recommendations by word of mouth. People keep coming back for more and draw others with them. That I believe is why Jesus was so influential and carried so much authority because of his relevance and credibility. His authority was not achieved by rules and regulation, but by connecting with ordinary people with a powerful, unconditional love.

  • 2. Greg  |  September 14, 2007 at 6:39 am

    I don’t know very little about your struggle but I know there is no autism in heaven and so it is the Father’s will that there be none on earth. How that comes together for your son and your life as you seek to help him find his way to wholeness, I don’t know. But I do know that if I don’t pray for complete healing on earth as it is in heaven I have failed to do as I have been tought by the Savior. So, I pray for strength and wisdom for you, breakthrough and wholeness for your boy, in the name of Jesus and in the power of the Spirit. Thanks Diana for your confidence in your Lord and conviction that He will show you the way.

    On your other comment. It has been years since I read the Perretti book but the memory has not faded much. I think you are correct. More reality than fiction, in all of our lives.

  • 3. Diana Burke  |  September 14, 2007 at 12:48 am

    I think it’s like modern medicine, it treats the symptom but leaves the underlying cause unchanged, unhealed. Just like the Autism we deal with 24-7. Resolve the underlying health condition and you recover the child, fully functional, healed, Autism gone. It’s done, regularly, but it is not the norm and because it is not conventional, it is rejected. The result is that countless thousands of children who have Autism are never recovered from the condition but could be if people had the insite to look for the real disease. (See
    So maybe that doesn’t address “Thy Kingdome Come…”, but the point is, it does have to go beyond salving the symptoms of a deeper issue.

  • 4. amanda  |  September 11, 2007 at 10:27 pm

    what a concise way to put it for so many of the problems which plague not just the church body but the world. my question would be to you (or Mr Mumford) is now we have a starting point just where do we go from here?

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